A reader named Chris recently sent me an email that I'm publishing here (with his permission) because it's too good not to post. I like the way he thinks, because it forces me to question what I believe. Below his email I have included my replies as referenced footnotes. My intent in posting this is to clarify my opinions for him and other readers and to subject these opinions to criticism.
Chris wrote:
In what is apparently your current state of mind, all things are possible and interesting. This is not a virtue of logic or rationality; it is a virtue of imagination. [1] Hold onto it dearly because if you persist in your stated purpose, your imagination is the baby you'll need to salvage from the bathwater. I applaud your efforts and hope that you will have a fruitful journey. Toward that end I offer a few thoughts on the subject.
1. Whether or not there is anything beyond our universe (in the grand sense of our ability to perceive or measure) is utterly irrelevant, and most likely uninteresting except for flights of fancy. Why? Because, by definition, it cannot affect us. [2] The very instant that it affects us or becomes tangent in any way to our universe, it ceases to be THAT and becomes THIS. And THIS is the province of science. Anything that is defined as supernatural or metaphysical cannot be studied or understood by science, but who cares? No theist is interested in God's hobbies. It is the interface BETWEEN the natural and the supernatural (i.e. so-called miracles, etc.) that people are concerned with. In short, if there is a God who exists beyond the physical laws of our universe, it does not matter UNTIL He acts on our universe at which point He or His act is by definition part of our Universe and even if not constrained by our universe's physical laws, He or His act is certainly subject to our scientists' scrutiny. Read more at naturalism.org.
2. Your conscious or subconscious endorsement of the legitimacy of the evolution/ID "debate" if not your tacit endorsement of ID itself, is clear through your repeated use of the term, "design" throughout your site. I would predict that, if you are not being disingenuous, you probably believe that some kind of god or other-worldly force does exist and has either allowed or controlled the process of evolution. If I am correct in that prediction, please re-read #1 above after reading this. [3]
If your position is that "God"(or whatever) must exist because of the overabundance of order and apparent design in the universe generally and in biological systems specifically [4], think about this:
a. this is what is known as the argument from personal incredulity. "I, personally, find (it) difficult to imagine therefore (it) must be false." or conversely, "I find (it) easier to believe than something else so (it) must be true." Obviously, this can have no explanatory value to anyone, including the person making the argument. [5]
b. If your argument is that the universe and the biology found in it are too complex to have occurred via any means other than through the design of some vastly superior being you have explained precisely NOTHING. You are in the grips of an infinite regress. If the universe is so complex as to require a designer, then by the same very argument, THE DESIGNER ITSELF REQUIRES A DESIGNER (presumably the designer is at least AS complex as that which was designed). [6]
3. You may also have bought into the statistical hat trick suggesting that the universe is too statistically unlikely to have occurred via natural means (trick #1 is the use of the code term "by chance"). Ponder this: The odds of something happening that DID HAPPEN, no matter how unlikely, are precisely 1 in 1. [7]
4. Another recurrent theme in your repertoire seems to be a reliance upon the concept of free will (and I like the Rush song, too). I would caution you against overestimating it's value. The most that can be said of free will is that it is very a convenient illusion for our legal system to exploit in order to maintain it's own legitimacy, the status quo and prosecute those who are statistically unpopular. [8]
a. Several hundred years ago the study of philosophy determined that free will was another infinite regress since no one is their own "First Cause."
b. More recently Physics dropped the deterministic universe bomb. Briefly, at any single moment, there exists exactly one possible future. [9]
c. Neurobiology is currently dismantling the heart of the free will myth in ways that defy sound-biting. Suffice it to say, we are the product of two programs, one genetic and one environmental/cultural. Nature AND nurture AND...nothing else. There is no "you" passing judgment on you; no "you" beyond you deciding what to do, no matter how counter-intuitive this seems. [10]
That's right. I am saying there is no supernatural anything. No soul, no god, no consciousness guiding evolution or anything else in any sense that any religion has thus far suggested. This is not to say that we have figured it all out. I'm quite certain that there are forces at work in the universe with which we are not yet familiar (and may never be). I am equally certain that those forces, if they exist, exist in THIS universe, or they simply don't matter.
And now my replies:
[1] I don't think that all things are interesting; I do have broad interests but find many things uninteresting. I do think it is an open question whether all things are possible, and my view is based at least partially on logic and not just imagination. Countless things have been demonstrated to be possible, but I don't think anything has ever been demonstrated to be impossible (perhaps proving that something is impossible is the only thing which is impossible to do?), and many things which had been previously thought to be impossible were eventually accomplished. Our universe does seem to have some limits on what can be known (e.g. Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, Godel's Incompleteness Theorem, etc), but these don't necessarily imply that there are states that our universe can't reach. I can't confidently say that everything is possible, but it's hubris to think we're smart enough to confidently say we know what will never be possible.
[2] Part of our apparent difference of opinion might be merely semantic, specifically in our usage of the word "universe". I typically use the phrase "our universe" to mean "the stuff that came out of our big bang", as distinct from "all that exists". It's possible that our universe is all that exists, or it's possible that our universe is an unimaginably small part of all that exists. I think the latter is more likely. I do think that what might exist outside our universe, and questions such as what happened "before" the big bang or what (if anything) caused it, are suitable topics for scientific research (once we're sufficiently intelligent to use clues within our universe about what's outside our universe), and therefore not supernatural.
I do have a minor objection to your claim that anything outside of our universe is irrelevant for how we should live. If one thinks a god created our universe for some purpose, and one believes that some clues as to this purpose can be discovered, then this should certainly be factored in to one's decision about how to live. You apparently do not accept these two premises (which is fine), but I think you'd admit that one who did should accept the conclusion.
Having said all that, I do occasionally think that speculating about what might lie beyond our universe is a waste of time, and that I do it not because it's important or because it will change how I live, but because I enjoy thinking about these things. But those feelings are based on the low probability that I'll figure out anything meaningful and not on the fact that such discoveries wouldn't be useful.
[3] My use of the word "design" might be confusing. I mean it in the same sense that some evolutionary theorists use it as a shorthand for "appears to be designed". Some writers include that explanatory caveat every time they use the word, but I find that cumbersome. I know that such confusion can be manipulated by intelligent design proponents for their political ends (just as they tried to claim that disagreements between Richard Dawkins and Stephen Jay Gould about punctuated equilibrium implied that evolutionary theory wasn't on solid footing), but I care more about discovering the truth than about how such meme wars play out. Just to be clear, I have very little patience for religious fundamentalists who rally behind the intelligent design movement as a way to circumvent the Supreme Court ban on teaching creationism.
I consider myself an agnostic. But the distinction I made above between a creator of all that exists and a creator of our universe is important here. If I had to guess, I'd estimate the likelihood of a creator of all that exists (i.e. a first mover) to be 30%, and a creator of our universe to be 80%. Of course, these are just guesses based on limited and difficult-to-interpret data.
[4] My position is not that apparent design necessarily implies a creator, but that it ought to somewhat increase one's estimation of the likelihood that a creator exists.
[5] When deciding what to believe, I weigh empirical evidence much more heavily than my intuition; e.g. I accept quantum physics and relativity as true even though they seem profoundly absurd to me. But for anything that currently lies outside the empirical realm, what can I possibly factor in to my beliefs other than intuition (after examining ways in which my intuition tends to be flawed and making adjustments to the extent that I can)? And couldn't I argue that atheists are falling into the same trap, believing that there's no god because they can't imagine how there could be one? (e.g. "If there was a god, then what created that god? I can't wrap my head around that, so there must not be a god.")
[6] I do accept that my view (that there is at least a chance that there are "levels" above ours) doesn't remove the mystery. However, that alone doesn't mean it's not true. If we start to find evidence that there are indeed levels above ours, it would be silly to simply ignore that information on the grounds that it doesn't provide a full explanation and merely pushes the mysteries further up.
[7] That is true. However, if I flipped a coin and it came up heads, even afterwards I would still be able to say that the a priori chance of it coming up heads was 50%. Granted, the matter of our existence is different due to the Anthropic Bias. You might be right that existence isn't a mystery in need of explanation, but I just can't get past the firing squad analogy: If you woke up to find that you had just faced a firing squad and all the shooters had somehow missed you, you would not simply say "it's not remarkable that I'm still alive, because if I wasn't then I wouldn't be here to ponder the situation".
[8] I talk a lot about free will not because I understand it and want to educate others, but because I don't understand it and hope others can educate me. I'm not confident that I'll ever understand free will (people much smarter than me have spent years thinking about it without success), so this might fall in the category of things that are fun to think about but are unlikely to really affect how we should live. I do grant that some people believe in free will because they want to believe in it; but obviously this alone doesn't make it false. I also admit that it's possible to overstate the importance of free will, but I think it's also possible to understate its importance. Consider the following list: life, intelligence, consciousness, morality, free will. Several things strike me about this list: They're interrelated; They feel valuable and fundamental; They make a universe interesting; They are among the few things that humans don't understand; They might somehow open the door to an unexpected outcome; etc. I might be biased by the fact that I'm a living, intelligent, conscious, moral, partially free entity. But if I were creating a universe, I'd probably bake stuff like this into the system. I don't know how important free will is. But given that philosophers can't even agree on a definition (e.g. "ability to do otherwise"... ok, so what does that mean?), I don't see how we can confidently say that free will is not important.
[9] Even if I accept the claim that in our universe the causal path we're on cannot be changed, I don't think that implies that the same must be true outside our universe. And in any case, compatibilists argue that there could be some form of free will in a deterministic system. I haven't found compatibilist arguments persuasive, but we shouldn't simply dismiss them as non-existent.
[10] I definitely agree that most people live like robots, doing whatever their genes and memes "want" them to do. But I do think that it's possible (at least in theory, if not by current humans) to break free from our default programming and have some degree of free will. One possible route to such freedom may be found in the concept of higher-order desires and preferences described by Harry Frankfurt and others.